Natural Order Sorting

[Valentino]

I have columns header (tabstop header) hidden so it doesn't really matter for me how a kind of sorting is indicated in it. I'd prefer if corresponding buttons (on button bar) had two states: pressed and unpressed. I mean the following commands:
cm_SrcByName
cm_SrcByExt
cm_SrcByDateTime
cm_SrcBySize
cm_SrcNegOrder
cm_SrcUnsorted (this one is actually not necessary)
and new cm_SrcNatural (cm_SrcAlternative, or whatsoever)
and analogous cm_Left* and cm_Right*.

I already asked about this in the old forum but still don't know Christian's opinion on that. I should have sent Christian e-mail to know it but it's so well related to the content of this thread so I decided to post here.

BTW, the following commands aren't two-state even in menu (with or without ticks), which is quite inconvenient:
cm_SwitchHidSys
cm_Switch83Names
cm_SwitchLongNames
cm_SwitchDirSort
(there are a lot of others but I don't care about them)

[ghisler(Author)]

I'd prefer if corresponding buttons (on button bar) had two states: pressed and unpressed.

Currently the button bar doesn't support states. I will add it to my wish list, but cannot promise anything...

[JohnFredC]

Maybe just a lower case "n" in the column heading would suffice

[mhe]

I simply love this idea. Got lots of mp3`s and mpg`s that would be easier to add into playlists if they were sorted "natural".

How it`s implemented gui wise is not a big issue as i see it. If Mac users can live with natural sorting _only_. Im sure we can live with a slight hassle to change natural sorting on / off.

[Valentino]

Currently the button bar doesn't support states.

May I ask why? Delphi's toolbar component doesn't support states? I thought that these components are just wrappers around standard Windows controls (like MFC, God forbid). Standard Toolbar control supports such buttons.

I will add it to my wish list, but cannot promise anything...

Thanks!

[Hacker]

Currently the button bar doesn't support states.
May I ask why? Delphi's toolbar component doesn't support states?

I might be wrong, but I think Christian rather meant "TC's Button Bar doesn't support states at the moment".

HTH
Roman

[ghisler(Author)]

Yes, exactly! It's my own control.

[Valentino]

Thanks. Now clear. Will be waiting...

But would anybody else like the toolbar buttons to be 2-state? I especially mean sorting buttons. Maybe this wish moves a few rows up in Christian's wish list if there's more voices screaming about this...

[jb]

But would anybody else like the toolbar buttons to be 2-state?

Definitely yes! It is also wish of mine since years. I would even go further and allow different stateless commands and different tooltips for various click event types such as Shift-Click, Ctrl-Click, Shift-Ctrl-Click etc.
EXAMPLE:
I would like to assign the commands cm_CopyFullNamesToClip and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip to the same button. cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be triggered by a plain Click and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip by a Shift-Click.
If the cursor is over the button and no modifier key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be displayed.
If the cursor is over the button and the Shift key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyNetNamesToClip should be displayed.

NOTE: The restriction 'stateless' is important because 2-state commands (toggle commands) such as for the sorting mode could not share a button.

[pdavit]

But would anybody else like the toolbar buttons to be 2-state?

Definitely yes! It is also wish of mine since years. I would even go further and allow different stateless commands and different tooltips for various click event types such as Shift-Click, Ctrl-Click, Shift-Ctrl-Click etc.
EXAMPLE:
I would like to assign the commands cm_CopyFullNamesToClip and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip to the same button. cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be triggered by a plain Click and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip by a Shift-Click.
If the cursor is over the button and no modifier key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be displayed.
If the cursor is over the button and the Shift key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyNetNamesToClip should be displayed.

NOTE: The restriction 'stateless' is important because 2-state commands (toggle commands) such as for the sorting mode could not share a button.

That would be actually really flexible and powerful.

[Valentino]

Wow, jb! I like this idea! There are such buttons in WinAmp. How much space we could save and put one more hundred of buttons to our toolbars!
Christian, what do you think about this?

[jb]

EXAMPLE:
I would like to assign the commands cm_CopyFullNamesToClip and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip to the same button. cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be triggered by a plain Click and cm_CopyNetNamesToClip by a Shift-Click.
If the cursor is over the button and no modifier key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyFullNamesToClip should be displayed.
If the cursor is over the button and the Shift key is pressed then the tooltip for cm_CopyNetNamesToClip should be displayed.

Now I think it would be better to show just one multiline tooltip containing the descriptions and the modifier keys of all mapped commands at once, similar to a menu.
EXAMPLE:
[face=tahoma]Copy full DOS path names to clipboard (Click)
Copy full UNC path names to clipboard (Shift+Click)[/face]

[chea]

So.... is the natural order possible now?


If not: how do I rename a lot of files quickly? (that is: add zeros)

[Clo]

2chea

Hello !
From the Help / Tutorial >> 4 >>b >> <wincmd.ini> :

SortUpper=0 / 1 / 2 / 3
1 : When sorting files, put files starting with an underscore _ last (1/0)
2 :makes a "natural" sorting, ignoring the spaces in file-names, sets the numbers at start / end of names as the usual order like
0, 1, 2, 3, .... 9, 10, 11, and so on, instead the "odd" Win / DOS system (order on the disk)…
3 : Like ‹2›, but with a logical sorting too for the special / accented characters as e - é - è … o - ø - ö…which otherwise are placed at the end of the list with ‹2›
‹3› needs Internet Explorer 6.0 or newer installed !
It works too under Win 98 SE if you have IE 6.0 installed. Found out by chance…

  Kind regards,
Claude
Clo

[van Dusen]

So.... is the natural order possible now?

Yes it is. Add the following line in the section [Configuration] of your <wincmd.ini>:

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SortUpper=3

(If this key already exists, just change its value to "3")

You can use the value "2" as well. For details see chapter 4b.) in the TC's online help.

EDIT: Oops... Clo was much faster

If not: how do I rename a lot of files quickly? (that is: add zeros)

For this purpose you should use the multi rename tool (MRT) of TC: Menu "Files" > "Multi-Rename Tool..." (shortcut: <Ctrl><M>). For details see chapter 3j.) in the online help.