there is a default selected item where it should not be one

[Michael REMY]

hi,
in 8.51a x64 on win7 x64.

i am not sure this is a bug or misunderstood thing, but i prefer report it.

in a folder, i have only folderss , not files.
when i enter into the multiple renamer tool, well there is a folder selected there whereas i did not selected (by CTRL+hit mouse - red color) any item at all before !

i checked the same behaviour with ony file, and there again, there is always a selected thing whereas i did not made one (no red color item).

so i guess the bug is that just put the mouse on a item made it selected whereas it is not red.

or maybe the bug is the renamer tool should not get item which are not red even not get in when there is only ONE (not multiple) item !

have a good day

Miek

[MVV]

It is a feature: when there are no selected items, operation that requires item is performed with focused one (i.e. focused item is treated selected). Unlike Explorer where you can deselect all files, in TC there are no such useless situations. So if you press F5, F6, Shift+F5, Shift+F6, run multi-rename tool, change attributes etc - this operations process focused file if there are no selected items. But if there is a selection, focus has no meaning. This behaviour is since DOS file managers.

[Michael REMY]

Unlike Explorer where you can deselect all files, in TC there are no such useless situations.

yes there is.

when you selet (i mean put focus on [..] (parent item line), then no item is selected and the multiple renamer tool get it right and do nothing.


so, maybe my bug is that TC should highlight (put item in RED) when there is focus on it and nothing else is selected neither multiselected.

[Dalai]

I don't know where the problem is. What's the point of filling the MRT with "nothing" when there are no files selected? I find it quite useful that all operations work on the focused file when there are no files selected (red).

Regards
Dalai

[Michael REMY]

the more simply i can express :

just put the focus item in red color font as it is clearly selected !

just like the other selected files because i always thought i had to CTRL+mouse to select have a file selected. i didn't know only focus (very little dot around the name line) will consider it by selected item.

[Dalai]

And how do you distinguish the selected files from the focused one then? You can't since they're all red. However, all operations will work on the selected files, but not the focused one, although the latter looks like it's selected.

BTW if you look closely you can see that the focused file is marked when you use copy (until the copy dialog is confirmed) and when you open MRT (it flashes red for a split second). So, there really is no problem.

Regards
Dalai

[Horst.Epp]

the more simply i can express :

just put the focus item in red color font as it is clearly selected !

just like the other selected files because i always thought i had to CTRL+mouse to select have a file selected. i didn't know only focus (very little dot around the name line) will consider it by selected item.

It is clearly NOT selected !
There are function which operate on selected file only if there is a selection.
In your logic one can't see what is selected or not.
So I think you should just understand and follow the TC logic
as tausends of users do since many years.

[Michael REMY]

i'm sorry to insist. i repeat it, i don't speak on the root/parent item, i speak about the focus item, the line with around-dot.

but it IS selected because once focus on it, you can :
- delete it
- move/rename it
-apply it in multiple selecte tool

so, even this unofficiel selected with dot-focus is not selected in your language, it is !
as you can delete it or move it, you should even take it in charge in the status bar where you display number of selected files and capacity of sum of them.

When it is focused, it have the same operation like selected ones !

it is obviously pre-selected on focus because when you use CTRL key to another one, then it became righly red.

[MVV]

I use inverted cursor so it is visible very well. And it is really useful when focused file is processed when there are no selected items because operations with focused item are performed very often.

[Dalai]

i'm sorry to insist. i repeat it, i don't speak on the root/parent item, i speak about the focus item, the line with around-dot.

So are we.

but it IS selected because once focus on it, you can :
- delete it
- move/rename it
-apply it in multiple selecte tool

Yes and no. When there are no items selected, you can do that, yes. When there is a selection, the focused item is NOT included in the operation (unless otherwise specified, e.g. in a button you can work with focused item instead of the selection).

When it is focused, it have the same operation like selected ones !

As stated above: Only if there is no selection!

it is obviously pre-selected on focus because when you use CTRL key to another one, then it became righly red.

Like in Explorer (though the selection isn't red there).

Regards
Dalai

[ghisler(Author)]

This is intentional. The same thing happens when you press F5 copy, F6 move, F8 delete etc.