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OK, I have put it online now:

http://www.ghisler.ch/wiki/

You can use your forum user name and password if you want to write to it!

I have copied all the contents of the FAQ from www.ghisler.com to the Wiki, as a starting point. For now, I have locked the registration info and the main page, all other pages can be changed freely by anyone!

I do have some more rights, just like in this forum, but this hasn't had a bad effect until now. I'm not a fan of censorship, so I will use it only in very bad cases, e.g. illegal links.

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With all due respect, WTF?!? I was the first one to comment on it, I said "Great!", I was the first one to edit it, enhance, and correct typos.
Sorry if that was the impression you got from my post. For me it just felt like the Wiki idea did't seen as a good idea to most testers. Of course I didn't expect (or ask you) to write any big articles into the Wiki, I did just asked to try it out (which some testers did, thanks).

Well, let's see whether it will be used or not, I can still close it if there is no interest.
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The main page is locked, this is very bad because it isn't worked out very good.

The categories' hierarchy is illogical and needs to be updated.

The mainpage should be categorized something like this:
-GUI changes (look and feel)
-internal functions
-plugins
-tools
-...

The "Ideas and suggestions" belong separately in each category, not on the main page, this is a useless entry because it will lead people to post ideas without looking in the corresponding categories first, so exactly a duplicate of the forum. A WIKI is not meant as a discussion place, this is what the forum is for.

"FAQ" category makes no sense right now, too, because this is exactly what the categories or the WIKI itself are for, to answer FAQs that arise when using TC, redundant entry. This entry may make sense at a later time when the WIKI has developed, to collect some important stuff, to rebuild the main FAQ for example.

Like it is now the WIKI will die due to chaos from the beginning so I suggest you start trusting your users and remove the lock from the main page so the fun can begin. Asking you in a forum to add categories is exactly what I will not do because this is a WIKI and WIKI means fast.

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Sir_SiLvA wrote:Mh.. Leftous had opend allready one but it seems to be gone...
The (german) links work well for me!
http://wikihost.org/wikis/tc_wiki_german/programm/gebo.prg?name=start

Thank you, Christian!
I recognized in the forum the same questions asked again and again....
So the Admins and Powerusers are often stressed.
You can read often as an answer: "RTFM" (...read the helpfile)!
So our "knowlegde base" for Total Commander could be very helpfull,
and it could keep this forum a little bit cleaner.
It would not be necessary for Admins to write in there,
but someone should copy their tips in it.
It was right to block the main site and the index from editing,
to give a clear stucture for the beginning, maybe you will realize suggestions for it later.
-Like: Important for TC-beginners:
-How to customize TC, change or edit the Menu etc.
-The Addon concept: What's that, how to install addons...

Is a german translation planned? Or maybe a full german standalone version?

Another nice idea: To have a download-version of the "Total Commander FAQ"!

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It would not be necessary for Admins to write in there,
but someone should copy their tips in it.
There is only one admin, it's the author. If you mean the moderators you obviously haven't understood what a WIKI is all about.
It was right to block the main site and the index from editing,
to give a clear stucture for the beginning, maybe you will realize suggestions for it later.
Without a logical hierarchical structure redundancies or at least collisions are created, this is a bad starting point and will lower the contribution rate.
-Like: Important for TC-beginners:
-How to customize TC, change or edit the Menu etc.
-The Addon concept: What's that, how to install addons...
This is exactly what I have proposed above, so why do you think the main site block makes sense?

It will be a hard time...

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OK, I have unlocked the front page now. Once we have a well structured frontpage, I will probably lock it again so it cannot be abused. What do you think?

About the German version: This is indeed planned for a later time, but I don't want to split effords now to multiple Wikis. We don't even know yet whether a single English Wiki will attract enough interest or not...
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What do you think?
If someone abuses the front page perform a rollback. The same applies to all other pages.
About the German version: This is indeed planned for a later time, but I don't want to split effords now to multiple Wikis. We don't even know yet whether a single English Wiki will attract enough interest or not...
Is there something like a multilanguage wiki? Anyone knows more about this?
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Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean? Mixing languages within the same article is probably not a good idea - we have separate fora here too. But it's possible to install the Wikipedia software into multiple subdirectories, e.g. one for German, one for English etc, or create a German subtree within the English Wiki (just with English user interface).
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Hello,
untill now I have had the hope, it is going to be a
"Total Commander FAQ" NOT a Wikipedia.
Because of right and law, illegal links etc.
In the "birth" of the german part it will be still very usefull
to have the same structure like the english "original".
In my opinion Christian should have wait a little longer
with unlocking all pages, but we will see...

Is there a chance to make it downloadable for offline -reading ?

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Mixing languages within the same article is probably not a good idea
No not inside an article. :roll: I meant something like

Title
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.......Huge english article.................
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This page also available in
[[German]]
[[French]]


Do do know what I mean? Although terms differ in different languages a link to the current (but translated) article is provided.
An article which has been written in one language can be used as template for other languages.
A built-in dictionary could be handy for this purpose. Isn't there something in the mediawiki family...?
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@ghisler:
Locking the front page is a bad choice because this is the best way to see on first sight if some vandal has visited the Wiki. Usually these people want to deface a site to feel satisfied, not wasting time with subpages which are not visible to the public.

So, if you lock the main page the vandal will get angry and move on to destroy even more subpages.

When enough people start using and contributing to the WIKI, these poor souls are no problem at all. The restore needs only some seconds:
1. history tab
2. click on last good version
3. edit tab
4. save

Thanks for the unlock.

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:idea: What about a password for locking/unlocking the front page?

Only serious WIKI authors should "earn" this special account. :wink:
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@Lesmo16: sorry but that would be totally against the WIKI System - If not everythings is editable for everyone its not a WIKI ...
Ever seen any locked arcticles in the WikiPedia? :D
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Have you ever tried to edit the main page of wikipedia.de ?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:This_page_is_protected

The difference between Wikipedia and TC Wiki is size and numbers of visitors and this is a problem here because users don't need registration on Wikipedia, the front page would be defaced permanently so this lock is needed in this case.

TC Wiki has just started and it's unclear how it will look and develop in the future so everything should be open for changes. If TC Wiki gets as popular as Wikipedia more hierarchy will be needed, too. No question. ;)

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Lefteous wrote:2Sir_SiLvA
Have you ever tried to edit the main page of wikipedia.de ?
Hello Leftous,
okay, than perhaps we have a missunderstanding:
(ok I should have taken https://wiki.freitagsrunde.org/Hauptseite as a Wiki example :))
a) we do wanna have a complett TC Wiki or
b) a TC Wiki with a non-editable Startpage like Wikipedia :?:
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