Total Commander

No, only the up/down button. Why? The two buttons "More rules" and "Fewer rules" always work at the end: They add a new line to the end or remove the last line. They never work on lines which could be out of view.

In this case, it's better to do nothing than do what you suggested.
The logic of using this control and convenience are reduced to zero in this case.

And for your answer, we can give you a simple tip - you just scroll through the list,
adding another rule, if for some reason you are worried and concerned about it.
BUT all three objects must be near to each other and OUTSIDE the list of rules.

I do not understand your logic at all. Moving the up/down button out of the panel solves the sorting issue, moving the other two buttons solves exactly< NOTHING.

Just watch my videos carefully again, where you can clearly see how poorly your mechanism
for creating and moving rules, highlighting the current rule, and selecting it generally works.
Notice how these two buttons are being redrawn. And the problem with keyboard sorting is
just a part of the overall problem.
This control needs to be redone completely and anew. It is possible with the help of AI)))
So that it works quickly, clearly and logically predictably. Not like this current one.

Because this is a long process, it certainly won't happen in this version/build.
BUT even in this version, adding a completely unnecessary moving of just one UI-object
does not give any special benefit ...

Rewriting the whole dialog is out of the question, sorry.

Here are the fixes in RC6:

09.06.25 Fixed: Find files, Plugins tab: Sorting the columns with Ctrl+Arrow could change the value of comboboxes (32/64)
09.06.25 Fixed: Find files: Improve loading of saved search with many plugin options by disabling redrawing while loading the comboboxes (32/64)
10.06.25 Fixed: Find files, Plugins tab: Moved button for resorting lines outside of the scroll box, so it's always visible even when there are a lot of lines (32/64)
10.06.25 Fixed: Find files, Plugins tab: Scroll line into view when sorting (64)

Confiming the fixes in TC 11.55rc6

Having the sorting buttons outside the scroll box seems to work fine and is consistent with the way it works in the "Configuration" -> "View Modes" dialog.

I do see a faster loading of the plugins tab when multiple plugins are selected.

https://www.upload.ee/files/18199038/record_2025_06_11_14_40_38_955.mp4.html
new bug.
And most of the time - when I place the mouse cursor over the field with "rules" - I cannot
use the mouse wheel - this long list simply does not scroll at all))))))
OR I can get the shown above bug.

Honestly, if the correction path is so difficult that for one fix there will be two new other bugs,
then of course, simply release the release. And let's finally start testing the BETA, where this control
in a whole will be rewritten from scratch.

And as for the presence of priority change buttons on the right panel under the HELP button —
I wanted to hide under the table. Cringe ....

P.S.
And what about speed — even if it has improved, it is an element of time that is imperceptible to the eye.
As for me — all the problems, glitches, and difficulties with the refresh rate remain in the same place.
But we remember that this is not for this release - so we will wait for the next beta.

this long list simply does not scroll at all))))))

Hold the mouse cursor over the scrollbar, then you can scroll with the wheel.

You can also place the cursor in the area to the left of the plugin items and scroll with the wheel.

But holding the cursor over the plugin items does not work, probably because the combo boxes are scrollable with the mouse themselves - as you can see in the end of this video: https://tcmd.madsenworld.dk/pluginscrolling.mp4

2petermad

Hold the mouse cursor over the scrollbar, then you can scroll with the wheel.

You can also place the cursor in the area to the left of the plugin items and scroll with the wheel.

OK, doable but it's extremely illogical...
Moreover, the scrolling speed is extremely low. It feels like it's scrolling pixel by pixel intentionally, rather than "page" by "page".

Were you able to reproduce the bug at all? Did you at least see it in my last video?
My scroll over the free space to the right of buttons - leads to the scroll in the combo-box!
in third from the bottom.

Were you able to reproduce the bug at all? Did you at least see it in my last video?

yes I even show the same in my video - at 17 secs.

It feels like it's scrolling pixel by pixel intentionally, rather than "page" by "page".

Confirmed.

Also if I scroll by dragging the scrollbar slider, the scrolling does not appear until I release the mouse button - unlike for example scrolling the file panels, or scrolling in any scrollable box in the Configuration dialog, where the scrolling takes place while dragging the slider.

petermad wrote: 2025-06-11, 11:15 UTC Having the sorting buttons outside the scroll box seems to work fine and is consistent with the way it works in the "Configuration" -> "View Modes" dialog.

But in the search dialog the dimensions of the control are 20x20. In "Configuration / View Mode" the dimensions are 20x29.

petermad wrote: 2025-06-11, 12:04 UTC

this long list simply does not scroll at all))))))

Hold the mouse cursor over the scrollbar, then you can scroll with the wheel.

On 32-bit TC, this works OK. But on 64-bit TC, it scrolls too little to be workable in my opinion (on my Windows 11 PC). So I either drag the scroll bar or use the buttons above and below it.

On my Windows 11 system the minimize button is exactly above the scrollbar and when I scroll when the mouse is over the scrollbar it at certain moments highlights the minimize button. Very weird and only happens on 64-bit TC. Video

https://i.ibb.co/LD6yRDwF/2025-06-11-235012.png
dark theme - and I don't see scrollbars at all - Yes, I remember the fact that they don't appear all at once now,
but only pop up when we bring the mouse to them. But right now there isn't even that!

AntonyD wrote: 2025-06-11, 20:53 UTC https://i.ibb.co/LD6yRDwF/2025-06-11-235012.png
dark theme - and I don't see scrollbars at all -

I had noticed that too. After reopening the search dialog, the scrollbar is initially not shown. This is the case since TC 10.50b3 when this control was added:

25.04.22 Added: Dark mode: Better looking scroll box control with thin borders in Change attributes, Find files (plugins), Settings (Auto Switch Mode), Custom column configuration, Print preview (32/64)

When you click on it, the scrollbar appears. But on 64-bit TC, when you clicked on the upper half and as long as no scrolling has happened yet, repainting of the scrollbar does not happen on the mouseout event. That makes it that you can now have a half scrollbar (screenshot) by clicking the scrollbar to make it appear, then clicking in the first row and then moving the row downwards.

yep, that's right. I have the same behavior. Confirmed...

2petermad
Thanks for confirming the fixes!
2AntonyD
Not a new bug. The scroll wheel never worked in this list when the cursor was on a control, because windows saw the inner control and decided that it can't scroll it. Nothing I can do there, sorry.

dark theme - and I don't see scrollbars at all

I can confirm that, the scrollbar only appears when I click on it.