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I have made a clarification here about the test results regarding x86 - SumatraPDF-3.4.6-32.exe.
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2AkulaBig
Thanks again for all your efforts.
I would suggest the following simplified installation description.

1. If not already installed, install SumatraPDF (Portable or Setup, x64 for x64 OS)
2. Install Plugin
3. Edit Path to SumatraPDF in sumatrapdf.ini (in the Plugin dir)

Notes:
- x64 Version of SumatraPDF can also be added as path for the x32 TC
- The sub-dirs in the plugin dir can be deleted (no need for normal usage)
- SumatraPDF can be a Release Version or the actual Pre-Release
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Horst.Epp wrote: 2023-07-17, 13:44 UTC I would suggest the following simplified installation description.
On the contrary, I began to describe everything in more detail and in more detail. Users do not understand how to connect the plugin. Although they use the same sLister and other plugins, in which the connection principle is the same, but there is practically no description. Therefore, I also attached an example file.
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tuska wrote: 2023-07-17, 13:43 UTC I have made a clarification here about the test results regarding x86 - SumatraPDF-3.4.6-32.exe.
Didn't understand. There's also yesterday's post.
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AkulaBig wrote: 2023-07-17, 14:27 UTC
tuska wrote: 2023-07-17, 13:43 UTC I have made a clarification here about the test results regarding x86 - SumatraPDF-3.4.6-32.exe.
Didn't understand. There's also yesterday's post.
The TCSumatraPDF plugin 1.51 works PERFECT! :D

This clarification should only serve to express that the stop (error!) after the sLister x86 plugin call
is clearly caused by the sLister x86 plugin and NOT by the TCSumatraPDF plugin.

For this reason I finally removed the sLister Plugin x86 today,
so that it doesn't interfere with any future tests.

Here again the exact details with an additional example.
x86 - SumatraPDF-3.4.6-32.exe

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%COMMANDER_PATH%\Plugins\wlx\TCSumatraPDF\SumatraPDF\SumatraPDF.exe   (renamed SumatraPDF-3.4.6-32.exe)
2. Ctr+Q,Tab,4,4,4..., Ctrl+Q

   Target: Ctrl+Q (sumatrapdf), Tab, 4 (slister x86), 4 IrfanView, 4 (sumatrapdf), ...
   Actual: Ctrl+Q (sumatrapdf), Tab, 4 (slister x86), 4 STOPP (without IrfanView, 4 (sumatrapdf), ...)

   E: The 4 key can be pressed several times to select other plugins.
      After it hits the sLister x86 plugin, further plugin selection with the 4 key is no longer possible
      and the Ctrl key does not work anymore.
      The problem here is NOT TCSumatraPDF but sLister x86 stops further execution.
      Select another PDF file in the opposite TC window enables Ctrl+Q again.

   Another example:
   E: Ctrl+Q, Tab, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 slister x86 -> STOPP!
      It should then be possible to call up the TCSumatraPDF plugin again with key 4!
      Ctrl+Q, Tab, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview,...
      The sLister x86 plugin was removed - The execution continues -> Infinite loop: OK!

   D: Die Taste 4 kann mehrmals gedrückt werden um andere Plugins auszuwählen.
      Nachdem es auf das sLister x86 Plugin trifft, ist eine weitere Pluginauswahl mit der Taste 4 nicht mehr möglich
      und die Strg-Taste funktioniert nicht mehr.
      Das Problem ist hier NICHT TCSumatraPDF sondern sLister x86 stoppt die weitere Durchführung.
      Im gegenüberliegenden TC-Fenster eine andere PDF-Datei auswählen ermöglicht Strg+Q wieder.

   Weiteres Beispiel:
   D: Strg+Q, Tab, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 slister x86 -> STOPP!
      Es sollte mit Taste 4 danach das TCSumatraPDF Plugin erneut aufgerufen werden können!
      Strg+Q, Tab, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview,...
      Das sLister x86 Plugin wurde entfernt - Die Durchführung wird fortgesetzt -> Endlosschleife: OK!

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4. F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4,4,4,..., ESC
   Target: F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4 (slister x86), 4 IrfanView, 4 (sumatrapdf), ...
   Actual: F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4 (slister x86), 4 STOPP (without IrfanView, 4 (sumatrapdf), ...)

   E: The 4 key can be pressed several times to select other plugins.
      After it hits the sLister x86 plugin, further plugin selection with the 4 key is no longer possible
      and the ESC key does not work anymore.
      The problem here is NOT TCSumatraPDF but sLister x86 stops further execution.
      Via the menu "Plugins" it is possible to switch to another applicable Lister plugin (.WLX).

   Another example:
   E: F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 slister x86 -> STOPP!
      It should then be possible to call up the TCSumatraPDF plugin again with key 4!
      F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview,...
      The sLister x86 plugin was removed - The execution continues -> Infinite loop: OK!

   D: Die Taste 4 kann mehrmals gedrückt werden um andere Plugins auszuwählen.
      Nachdem es auf das sLister x86 Plugin trifft, ist eine weitere Pluginauswahl mit der Taste 4 nicht mehr möglich
      und die ESC-Taste funktioniert nicht mehr.
      Das Problem ist hier NICHT TCSumatraPDF sondern sLister x86 stoppt die weitere Durchführung.
      Über das Menü "Plugins" kann zu einem anderen zutreffenden Lister-Plugin (.WLX) gewechselt werden.

   Weiteres Beispiel:
   D: F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 slister x86 -> STOPP!
      Es sollte mit Taste 4 danach das TCSumatraPDF Plugin erneut aufgerufen werden können!
      F3: Lister (sumatrapdf), TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview, 4 TCSumatraPDF, 4 IrfanView, 4 pdfview,...
      Das sLister x86 Plugin wurde entfernt - Die Durchführung wird fortgesetzt -> Endlosschleife: OK!



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tuska wrote: 2023-07-17, 21:22 UTC
I checked the plugin with the chm file. There are many more plug-ins that are traversed by the '4' key than two. That is, as I thought, the number of plug-ins to be sorted out depends on how many of them are installed in TC.
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The sequence of plugins used with the key 4 is not under control of any plugin.
If a plugins reacts correct on one press of 4 all is fine with this plugins logic.
Tuska's test scenarios are not applicable here, regardless of the other plugins used.
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Horst.Epp wrote: 2023-07-19, 13:17 UTC The sequence of plugins used with the key 4 is not under control of any plugin.
If a plugins reacts correct on one press of 4 all is fine with this plugins logic.
Tuska's test scenarios are not applicable here, regardless of the other plugins used.
Tuska's had doubts that the plugin does not show all the possible options for enumerating plugins. I checked with chm that this is not the case.
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2Horst.Epp

Unfortunately, I have to admit that I cannot follow your discussion - my modest knowledge of English does not allow this.
Therefore, I cannot participate in this topic, but I am sure that a further professional user will join the discussion if necessary.

Just this from me:
For me as a hobby user, it's mainly the result I achieve in practice that counts.

I am very satisfied with the test results that I have received in practice and I have tried
to describe the underlying system - as I imagine it - and to back it up with a video and pictures.

Anyway, it is up to each user which plugin - in which way - he uses.
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Hallo Tuska,
das geht hier nicht gegen deine Tests oder die Art wie du sie mit viel Fleiß dokumentierst.
Das Thema hier ist, dass ein Plugin keinen Einfluss auf vor ihm oder hinter ihm liegende Plugins in der Konfiguration hat.
Wenn du 3 Plugins zum Anschauen von PDFs hast, haben diese nichts miteinander zu tun.
Jedes Plugin muss bei der Eingabe 4 die Kontrolle abgeben und TC lädt das nächstmögliche anhand der Konfiguration.
Deshalb hat z.B. das SLister Plugin nichts mit dem SumatraPDF Plugin zu tun, und die beeinflussen sich auch nicht.
Ein Testszenario mit beiden in einer bestimmten Reihenfolge hat also keinen Sinn,
ein Vergleich der Funktionen von 2 Plugins für dieselbe Aufgabe natürlich schon.
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Horst.Epp wrote: 2023-07-19, 18:51 UTC 2tuska
D: Jedes Plugin muss bei der Eingabe 4 die Kontrolle abgeben und TC lädt das nächstmögliche anhand der Konfiguration.
    Deshalb hat z.B. das SLister Plugin nichts mit dem SumatraPDF Plugin zu tun, und die beeinflussen sich auch nicht.
    Ein Testszenario mit beiden in einer bestimmten Reihenfolge hat also keinen Sinn,
    ein Vergleich der Funktionen von 2 Plugins für dieselbe Aufgabe natürlich schon.

E: Each plugin must relinquish control at input 4 and TC loads the next possible based on the configuration.
    Therefore, for example, the SLister plugin has nothing to do with the SumatraPDF plugin, and they do not influence each other.
    So a test scenario with both in a certain order has no sense,
    a comparison of the functions of 2 plugins for the same task of course does.
D:
Ich denke, Du sprichst hier von einem Idealfall.

Der Test hat aber ergeben, dass sLister x86 nach Eingabe von 4 die Kontrolle nicht abgibt und
das nächstmögliche Plugin anhand der Konfiguration nicht geladen werden kann.
Das Testszenario hat meines Erachtens daher schon einen Sinn.
> Zusätzlich macht ein Vergleich der Funktionen von 2 Plugins für dieselbe Aufgabe ebenfalls einen Sinn.
Das sehe ich auch so -> 1. Beitrag, Punkt 10.

Danke für die Übersetzung, ich denke ich weiß jetzt was Du gemeint hast.
Ich denke, so ein Thema möchte ich nicht weiter diskutieren.

Die Testergebnisse sprechen für mich eine deutliche Sprache,
denn hier ist der Unterschied zwischen Theorie und Praxis deutlich erkennbar..
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E:
I think you are talking about an ideal case here.

However, the test has shown that sLister x86 does not release the control after entering 4 and
the next possible plugin cannot be loaded based on the configuration.
In my opinion, the test scenario therefore already makes sense.
> Additionally, comparing the capabilities of 2 plugins for the same task also makes sense.
I see it that way, too -> 1st post, point 10.

Thanks for the translation, I think I know now what you meant.
I don't think I want to discuss such a topic any further.

The test results speak a clear language for me because here the difference
between theory and practice is clearly visible.
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Das SLister nicht korrekt auf 4 reagiert, ist ein Problem mit SLister
und hat nichts mit den restlichen Plugins oder der Konfiguration zu tun.
Dieser Teil deiner Tests ist also ein Funktionstest von SLister.

The problem, that SLister doesn't react to '4', is not related to any other plugin in the configuration.
This part of your tests are therefore only a functional test of SLister.
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Moderator message from: white » 2023-07-20, 09:15 UTC

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Horst.Epp wrote: 2023-07-20, 07:12 UTC 2tuska
Das SLister nicht korrekt auf 4 reagiert, ist ein Problem mit SLister
und hat nichts mit den restlichen Plugins oder der Konfiguration zu tun.
Dieser Teil deiner Tests ist also ein Funktionstest von SLister.

The fact that SLister does not react correctly to 4 is a problem with SLister
and has nothing to do with the rest of the plugins or the configuration.
So this part of your tests is a functional test of SLister.
I don't know if I have ever stated anything to the contrary anywhere
and therefore do not understand what you want to tell me with it.

After I could not let some of your statements stand so, I have reported to the topic.

After it came to a "discussion" with the Pluginautor of TCSumatraPDF,
I took a closer look at sLister and TCSumatraPDF and made a comparison.
But the focus was on the new TCSumatraPDF plugin, which I additionally described in more detail (e.g. installation).
I am unclear what to discuss here.

Anyway, this topic is finished for me.
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2Horst.Epp

Just out of interest:
Your main plugin for PDF files still seems to be sLister.
Is there any particular reason for this?
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