Need nicer access to NTFS NTFS permission

[AlexF]

I didn't spring from under a rock to bash TC... I use and love this software more than other on PC (except MS Office 2007 - which, on Vista Basic theme, sports the best UI ever written) for many years.
However, I'm really pee'd off that TC doesn't give access to NTFS permission (ACLs) beyond Windows' own Properties->Security tab.
With more PCs being multi-user, surely TC can be a lot better in this area. TC really does feel like an Windows 98 application - not that there's anything wrong with that as long as it does the job, but with regards to NTFS permission - it don't - not in viewing them or modifying them.. C'mon - wasn't TC7 supposed to bring TC into 21st Century?
(Phew... I finally got that off my chest.)

[sqa_wizard]

So finally what is the problem ?

... Windows' own Properties->Security tab

Press ALT-Enter on a file or folder and you get the Permissions dialog matching to your OS capabilities.

Do you need more ?

Feel free to post an enhancement request at "TC7 suggestions (English)" forum, but be more specific what you are missing.

"Nicer access" is not very helpful

[icfu]

However, I'm really pee'd off that TC doesn't give access to NTFS permission (ACLs) beyond Windows' own Properties->Security tab.

Open TOTALCMD.INC and search for NTFS... Huh, what's that?

You are not forced to use the basic menu which comes delivered with TC, by the way.

Icfu

[HolgerK]

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Windows
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Windows cannot edit permissions as requested because a component
of the software you are using that is required to perform that function is
not compatible with any version of Windows released after Windows
Server 2003. Contact your software vendor to find out if this software
has been updated for current versions of Windows.
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OK
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Not that I really need them. It simply doesn't work in Vista.

Kind regards,
Holger

[icfu]

http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?p=93130#93130

Icfu

[HolgerK]

2icfu
Thanks for the link.
Seems that i have missed this topic.

Kind regards,
Holger

[AlexF]

> I'm really pee'd off that TC doesn't give access to NTFS permission (ACLs) beyond Windows' own Properties->Security tab

This implies two things: being able to see and being able to change.
1. The "to see" part isn't implemented in TC as far as being able to see ACLs in Show->Full, for example.
2. The "to change" - well, cm_EditPermissionInfo is too primitive even compared to Window's Properties->Security tab.

TC's job is to simplify management of files/directories - TC's NTFS ACL interface isn't doing it - that's the point of the thread.
Alex

[Lefteous]

2AlexF
You might wanna try my content plug-in Permissions. It provides permissions for files and directories for the current user. The plug-in is currently in beta state.
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/permissions.html

There are also several plug-ins which provides the owner of a file system object:
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/SecInfo.html
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/shelldetails.html

[AlexF]

2AlexF
You might wanna try my content plug-in Permissions.

Thank you, however, I feel that NTFS ACLs need to be deeply intergrated into TC. Like I wrote before, they need to be part of Show->Full.
I suspect TC author if fully aware of this fact, but seems to be procrastinating (- I don't know, for the sake of nostagia?)

[ghisler(Author)]

So how would you show permissions in show-full where two dozen people and groups have various rights to a file?

[AlexF]

So how would you show permissions in show-full where two dozen people and groups have various rights to a file?

1. In Configuration->Options the user will specify what own NTFS persmissions set he wants to see in Show->Full ( - I'd guess most people will select the basic set - Full, Modify, Read);
2. Show->Full will show NTFS basic permissions user specified (in 1) as Attr does now;
3. The popup comment will include file owner's name.

[Lefteous]

2AlexF

1. In Configuration->Options the user will specify what own NTFS persmissions set he wants to see in Show->Full ( - I'd guess most people will select the basic set - Full, Modify, Read);
2. Show->Full will show NTFS basic permissions user specified (in 1) as Attr does now;

A full view where the user has to set up the column content? This is exactly what custom columns are.

The popup comment will include file owner's name.

You can already configure this on the "Display" configuration page.

[AlexF]

So how would you show permissions in show-full where two dozen people and groups have various rights to a file?

1. In Configuration->Options the user will specify what own NTFS persmissions set he wants to see in Show->Full ( - I'd guess most people will select the basic set - Full, Modify, Read);
2. Show->Full will show NTFS basic permissions user specified (in 1) as Attr does now;
3. The popup comment will include file owner's name.

Obvioulsy, Files->Change will have to provide the radio buttons for changing the user's NTFS either Basic or Advanced permissions depending on pressing/unpressing a new "NTFS Advanced" button.

[Peter]

So how would you show permissions in show-full where two dozen people and groups have various rights to a file?

Yes - it makes no sense to display all rights of all groups and people.

But to my mind it makes sense ..
- to make access to this information
- to find it with search functions
- to write it to files or
- to display it in a user-defined style.

Due to the huge number of possible combinations of "persons / kind of permissions / place of permission" there should be only "a first step" instead of an huge, perfect and impossible solution.

For example I could imagine this types of "searches" and "display a list of results" (the search function of permissions should be an extension of the standard-TC-search).

Search and display ...
- "... all names of peoples and groups which were found"
- "... all types of permissions which exist in the analysed data"
- "... all permissions which are found for user 'John Miller'"
- "... all data, where user "Will Smith" has "write permissions". Display it in the style of the directory tree and display all folder with "write permission" green and all folders with "no write permission" red.
- "... all files which have other permissions like their folder."

What to you think about it?

Peter