Ok people, i'm using Total Commander for last 10 years every single day.
I just wanted to know, is there a slightest chance that the UI is going to be redesigned and wont suck this much in the near future?
Even if not, i wont stop using it but for god sake Ghisler, do something already! Its 2011 year, 21st century.
Can we get some interface changes, like ever?
is it always going to look like a native win95 Russian app with inferior taste for aesthetics?
I'm sick of it.
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A little clarification please, what exactly sucks about current TC UI and how would you imagine the redesign?
I for one like how it stays the same, as opposed to e.g. MS Office where authors f*** up the interface more and more with every single version in attemp to make it more cool, without possibility for user to go back if he liked previous one. And TC being the same Win95-like looking app isn't completely true, it supports Windows themes (although some deficiencies can be found), you can customize a lot of things, etc.. But yes, if we're talking about defaults, installing fresh TC into Windows 7 and seeing window with Microsoft Sans Serif bold can be a little frightening experience for new users.
So if you're talking about optimizations to make TC fit better with system, without pushing unwanted changes to old users, I support your cause. If you're after Office way, please go away. ;)
I for one like how it stays the same, as opposed to e.g. MS Office where authors f*** up the interface more and more with every single version in attemp to make it more cool, without possibility for user to go back if he liked previous one. And TC being the same Win95-like looking app isn't completely true, it supports Windows themes (although some deficiencies can be found), you can customize a lot of things, etc.. But yes, if we're talking about defaults, installing fresh TC into Windows 7 and seeing window with Microsoft Sans Serif bold can be a little frightening experience for new users.
So if you're talking about optimizations to make TC fit better with system, without pushing unwanted changes to old users, I support your cause. If you're after Office way, please go away. ;)
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I think purple tried to troll the forum.. If not it's a sad example of ignorance.. They day TotalCommander starts with ribbons or any other kind of interface junk I truly have no reason for using Windows.. I think that the bread crumb bar is close to useless but it at least doesn't interfere with the UI if you choose not to show it.. I also consider any program that doesn't follow currently default theme is an abomination. That is why a Windows desktop can look like a mayhem of multiple different layouts while a GNU/Linux or MacOS is consistent and have one common interface layout on every program.
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I really don't care much about ui, specially in tc but, IMHO, there are two things to point out.
A clean installation of tc look exactly the same since version 5, I don't know or use tc before v5 but 10 years is enough to illustrate the point, this is weird, it doesn't matter the opinion that you have about ui evolution.
The other thing is that tc don't follow the windows styles or controls, or menus, or... just some general colors. So the "abomination" problem already exist.
A clean installation of tc look exactly the same since version 5, I don't know or use tc before v5 but 10 years is enough to illustrate the point, this is weird, it doesn't matter the opinion that you have about ui evolution.
The other thing is that tc don't follow the windows styles or controls, or menus, or... just some general colors. So the "abomination" problem already exist.
@Sob I was absolutely talking about making UI more consistent with popular systems such as Win7 and i haven't mentioned nor Office 2007 nor Foxit in any possible way. On the other hand, Office 2010 UI is superior in every possible way.
<disclaimer>I'm not much of a ribbon fan</disclaimer>
@ThurahT I just can't believe someone can call me troll and ignorant because of statement that current UI suck ass.
For most part, that would be because of lack of aesthetics and sense for design which i live from. That being said, sir, i reject your opinion as relevant as it's neither constructive nor friendly and just sole product of complete creative inferiority. Shame on you.
Also, i don't remember asking anyone else except of Ghisler for opinion and action, do you?
<disclaimer>I'm not much of a ribbon fan</disclaimer>
@ThurahT I just can't believe someone can call me troll and ignorant because of statement that current UI suck ass.
For most part, that would be because of lack of aesthetics and sense for design which i live from. That being said, sir, i reject your opinion as relevant as it's neither constructive nor friendly and just sole product of complete creative inferiority. Shame on you.
Also, i don't remember asking anyone else except of Ghisler for opinion and action, do you?
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If you dont wont anyelse but Chris to answer write him an email
cause on a forum other people will answer.
Especially if you go ahead and tell people that you dont
like TCs UI and find that disgusting Office 2010 superior.
I like it that the Look of TC is STILL the same as WindowsCommander 3.01 looked
PS: theres allways other commanders you can try outif you just go for the looks like speedcommander.com ....
If you dont wont anyelse but Chris to answer write him an email
cause on a forum other people will answer.
Especially if you go ahead and tell people that you dont
like TCs UI and find that disgusting Office 2010 superior.
I like it that the Look of TC is STILL the same as WindowsCommander 3.01 looked
PS: theres allways other commanders you can try outif you just go for the looks like speedcommander.com ....
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@purple: Taking it from the end, you didn't really expect to post in public forum and receive no response from other people, especially with such sensitive topic as redesigning the UI undoubtedly is? :)
About the Office reference, I admit it might be a little misleading for some, but I had to ask to know what kind of redesign you have in mind. Because for me their way is the best example of redesign with total disregard for preferences of existing users. "Look, we made new version, it's completely different, but we're confident it's so cool that everyone must just love it! You don't? We don't care." I'd really hate something like that happen to TC.
If you're after more consistency, you have my vote (not that it matters in any way, it's all up to author). On the other hand, even Microsoft didn't manage to stay consistent within its own system and half of other apps don't care either, so it's lost fight anyway. :( But it's nice to try.
About the Office reference, I admit it might be a little misleading for some, but I had to ask to know what kind of redesign you have in mind. Because for me their way is the best example of redesign with total disregard for preferences of existing users. "Look, we made new version, it's completely different, but we're confident it's so cool that everyone must just love it! You don't? We don't care." I'd really hate something like that happen to TC.
If you're after more consistency, you have my vote (not that it matters in any way, it's all up to author). On the other hand, even Microsoft didn't manage to stay consistent within its own system and half of other apps don't care either, so it's lost fight anyway. :( But it's nice to try.
I disagree.. If you choose Aero theme Totalcommander will follow, same with classic or anything else I just tried.. So I must be misunderstanding you some how.. Of course TC doesn't change icons or suddenly start displaying ribbons or what not but the TC window follows theme.dott wrote:The other thing is that tc don't follow the windows styles or controls, or menus, or... just some general colors. So the "abomination" problem already exist.
Well, I guess for someone that talks about ass sucking and thinks that Office 2010 has a superior UI there is really no hope is there?purple wrote:Office 2010 UI is superior in every possible way.
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@ThurahT I just can't believe someone can call me troll and ignorant because of statement that current UI suck ass.
For most part, that would be because of lack of aesthetics and sense for design which i live from. That being said, sir, i reject your opinion as relevant as it's neither constructive nor friendly and just sole product of complete creative inferiority. Shame on you.
Also, i don't remember asking anyone else except of Ghisler for opinion and action, do you?
And as Sir_Silva stated: This is a forum. So I'll be around.
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Agree with Purple - facelift required
Can't believe you didn't get more support on your request Purp. TC is highly effective but looks *very* old-school.
Like you ... I'll keep using it - cause its so da*mned useful, but there is a need to modernize the look/feel.
Love your description "native win95 Russian app with inferior taste for aesthetics" - it's bang on!
In other news - I love Total Commander!
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Like you ... I'll keep using it - cause its so da*mned useful, but there is a need to modernize the look/feel.
Love your description "native win95 Russian app with inferior taste for aesthetics" - it's bang on!
In other news - I love Total Commander!
W.
Yes I whine about it all the time
http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=31548
But dunno why bother
http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=31548
But dunno why bother
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I'm a bit reluctant to change the design (or have it changed by a disigner), because design is always a question of personal taste. It's also a problem that you get used to certain user interface elements and hotkeys. For example, I don't like the way MS Office is going with its ribbons, and therefore switched to Open Office. I fear that a similar exodus might occur if I changed the design too much.
However, I'm open to hear suggestions for small improvements.
However, I'm open to hear suggestions for small improvements.
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I didn't hear anyone was against latest Google products redesign. I meant something like that, little bit different but still face-lift.
As i already said, i don't like ribbons too but what about nicely designed and uniform icons, easy color scheme, subtle toolbar/UI gradients? Small things which boost whole experience positively.
No one will ditch TC because of couple of cosmetic changes simply because all other ones are doing the same or TC tops them in pretty much everything.
You should think how many people _were_ rejected by it's Current design and not what might happen in future.
As i already said, i don't like ribbons too but what about nicely designed and uniform icons, easy color scheme, subtle toolbar/UI gradients? Small things which boost whole experience positively.
No one will ditch TC because of couple of cosmetic changes simply because all other ones are doing the same or TC tops them in pretty much everything.
You should think how many people _were_ rejected by it's Current design and not what might happen in future.