Bug - TC does not sort cyrillic names

[slon]

Hello
I have a problem with TC properly sorting files by name if files have names in cyrillic symbols. Operation system - WinXP English
Windows Explorer and other file managers shows files in a proper order. but TC does not sort it at all. For example, you can see files, started with cyrillic A in multiple places. The same goes for all other letters.
Usually list looks like this:ЧАДВАМКАВ......
I tried to change fonts to cyrillic fonts, but it did not help.
Other people, who use WinXP Cyrillic do not have this problem.

[ghisler(Author)]

If cyrillic is your main language, you need to set the default font for non-Unicode characters to cyrillic (in control panel - regional settings). TC cannot currently sort Unicode strings from different codepages.

[slon]

If cyrillic is your main language

No, my main language is English. People with main language cyrillic do not have such problem.

TC cannot currently sort Unicode strings from different codepages.

Too bad. Windows Explorer itself can do it.
Salamander Commander can do it
2x Commander can do it.
FAR can do it
Even grandpa NC4 can do it
Is it a big problem to sort it right?

[China]

You need to set the default font for non-Unicode characters to cyrillic (in control panel - regional settings)

2 slon:
That's all. All versions/locales of Windows will provide support for displaying/sorting cyrillic strings, and TC will also do.

consider what papa says

[VadiMGP]

Christian, as far i understand TC sorts filenames according to the current collating sequence, right? May be it's possible to add an option to sort filenames in the alphabetic order?

[ghisler(Author)]

Too bad. Windows Explorer itself can do it.
Salamander Commander can do it
2x Commander can do it.
FAR can do it
Even grandpa NC4 can do it

Then why not use one of these? TC isn't the tool in all situations! And yes, it is planned for one of the next versions, but sorting is more complex than you may think. I want to avoid infinite loops caused by a mix of Unicode and non-Unicode sorting, so this feature requires extensive testing.

[djk]

Then why not use one of these? TC isn't the tool in all situations!

Christian,
Bad suggestion
TC is the tool in all situation (if it isn't today it will be tomorrow)
We all here believe in it.

[WatchUer]

Then why not use one of these? TC isn't the tool in all situations!

Christian,
Bad suggestion
TC is the tool in all situation (if it isn't today it will be tomorrow)
We all here believe in it.

Exact!

[slon]

ghisler(Author) wrote:
You need to set the default font for non-Unicode characters to cyrillic (in control panel - regional settings)


2 slon:
That's all. All versions/locales of Windows will provide support for displaying/sorting cyrillic strings, and TC will also do

Again, this is not the case. Default font has nothing to do with sort, because all other programs and WIndows Explorer itself correctly sorts file list. If sort order depends on font, then all Windows apps will not be able to display sorted list, and it is not true. When I do File-Open in ANY applicaton, it sorts files correctly, no matter, which language or mix of languages to use.
I don't know, how TC does a sort, but, i guess, it does not use windows tools for it and has its own solution. Maybe, author can change it to use the same mechanizm, as every other windows application instead of improving TC sort algorithm?

Then why not use one of these? TC isn't the tool in all situations!

Wow! But There is no special situation! It just ordinary file list! If you cannot even use TC to display files in the right order, then is it worth to buy such application at all? Sorry for offence, nothing personal.

[Aezay]

It just ordinary file list! If you cannot even use TC to display files in the right order, then is it worth to buy such application at all? Sorry for offence, nothing personal.

No, it's not an ordinary file list, since some of the files use unicode filenames, which makes things more compicated as a programmer.
Just so you know, not everybody uses unicode, and with 8-bit character filesnames Total Commander is certainly the best.

[China]

2 slon:

Hmm... I think there's some misunderstanding here... I just looked up `My Documents` folder, which is full of different files - english and russian names. They are being sorted in this way:

01file.ext
apple.ext
banana.ext
...
yoshemito.ext
zero.ext
àðáóç.ext
áàðáàðèñ.ext
êðûæîâíèê.ext
...
÷åðåøíÿ.ext
ÿáëîêî.ext

(The second part lists russian files - in a right alphabetical order - for those people who can't see russian chars here in the forum)
Folders are being sorted the same way. Am I blind?

IMHO this is the most natural way I ever wanted my files to be sorted. Windows Explorer shows them 100% as TC. So, please, show me the problem?

[slon]

Cnina
Hmmmm... Interesting
What version of Windows do you have?
Is it English' o Russian?
What settings do you have in Control Panel -Regional & Language Options in Tab "Regional Options" and in Tab "Advanced"?
Also, what fonts do you use for TC panels?

[China]

2slon:

Windows XP Professional Corp English

(don't care) Standards and Formats: Ukrainian
(don't care) Location: Ukraine
(don't care) Input Languages: English (Default), Russian, Ukrainian

(important!) Language for non-Unicode programs: Russian

TC fonts: (don't care) Trebuchet MS, (important!) Cyrillic script.

This settings also work fine on Win95OSR2, Win98SE, Win2000 Pro, both English AND Russian versions, TC from 4.5 to 6.0!

Never had a problem with sorting, this is your personal software misconfigration.

[slon]

2 China
Interesting
I have the same settings except

Standards and Formats: Ukrainian

I use English language and this is, probably, the main problem.
Could you try to set yours to English and see what happend?
Txs

[sheppaul]

Is Tcmd not unicode-based program?

If then it need to make two version of Tcmd.
: ANSI Version for win98..
: Unicode Version for NT,XP..