Help: Context menu, inline renaming, archive unicode

[Seikatsu]

1.) I have the mouse selection mode setup as "Use right mouse button (as in NC)", I want it so I only have to hold it for 1 second/1000 milliseconds to get the context menu, maybe as an option in wincmd.ini. And how do I get the mouse dragging context menu in this selection mode. And if I use the "Left mouse button (Windows standard)" option or the other option, how do I get the _Windows_ mouse dragging context menu, I have several things setup for that especially WinRAR. Okay, people might find this useless, but I am used to the Windows Explorer tree folder on the left side, directories on the right side navigation, so I hope you see where I am coming from. I do a lot of dragging with my files.

2.) And how do I set it up so that I don't need to press [Enter] when I am doing inline/inplace renaming (Shift+F6).

3.) How come the built-in archivers don't have unicode support? I know WinRAR and TC supports it. Why not the built-in archivers?

[norfie]

[pdavit]

2.) And how do I set it up so that I don't need to press [Enter] when I am doing inline/inplace renaming (Shift+F6).

Yet another Windows Explorer behaviour, right?!

Well, as far as I know it's not possible and you have to press Enter to confirm your changes (an approach that finds me in favour comparing to Explorer's since if you make a mistake you can cancel it while with Explorer if you forget the previous name while renaming and want to go back... tough luck!).

[ghisler(Author)]

2Seikatsu
1. You can't get both right mouse button selection and right mouse button drag. But you can move with Shift+left Drag, and create shortcuts with Ctrl+Shift+left Drag.

2. This isn't currently possible, for security reasons. TC introduced inplace renaming before Explorer even existed, and it didn't seem logical to change a name without user confirmation...

3. There is no standard for storing Unicode names in ZIP, as norfie wrote. For RAR, Unicode support is indeed planned for one of the next versions.

[Seikatsu]

Well, as far as I know it's not possible and you have to press Enter to confirm your changes (an approach that finds me in favour comparing to Explorer's since if you make a mistake you can cancel it while with Explorer if you forget the previous name while renaming and want to go back... tough luck!).

What "tough luck" are you talking about? You do know that you can undo your changes with Undo (Ctrl+Z)?

1. You can't get both right mouse button selection and right mouse button drag. But you can move with Shift+left Drag, and create shortcuts with Ctrl+Shift+left Drag.

So how about the _Windows_ right mouse dragging context menu when I do use "Left mouse button (Windows standard)" mouse selection option? Is there a way to access it?

2. This isn't currently possible, for security reasons. TC introduced inplace renaming before Explorer even existed, and it didn't seem logical to change a name without user confirmation...

It's just a bit of an annoyance because I do a lot of renaming by hand for small little corrections and if I didn't have to press [Enter], I would do it faster. Oh well, I just probably have to learn to press [Enter] everytime. I don't want to even suggest breaking or even risking "security reasons" for such an inconsequential thing.

3. There is no standard for storing Unicode names in ZIP, as norfie wrote. For RAR, Unicode support is indeed planned for one of the next versions.

I appreciate everyone's clarifications and time.

[pdavit]

What "tough luck" are you talking about? You do know that you can undo your changes with Undo (Ctrl+Z)?

Oh yeah! Undo! That brings in mind an old thread!

Any way, if as you say you don't need Enter for the speed implications it only means that you are using mouse and keyboard simultaneously in the current situation. Now, since you have to press Enter in TC I suggest becoming more of a keyboard-oriented type of user. So, the valuable time you spend for point'n'clicking will equalise Name Searching and pressing Enter.

[icfu]

You can slow double click a file name to change it, you can't click outside the rename box to confirm, that's inconsequent.

Security reasons? Fine, simple solution:

When filename in rename box is deleted restore the original filename on-the-fly and mark it again for another try. That's even an alternative for keyboard enthusiasts to another ESC-Shift-F6...

You can even make the clicking option optional, why should that be a problem?
OnClickRename=1/0

@all keyboard freaks:
Please stop your permanent "use your keyboard" phrases, they are arrogant and boring the more of them I'm reading.
I haven't read a "use your mouse" phrase till now, starts to make me wonder if mouse users are the more tolerant people around here.

Icfu

[Hacker]

icfu,

@all keyboard freaks:
Please stop your permanent "use your keyboard" phrases, they are arrogant and boring the more of them I'm reading.
I haven't read a "use your mouse" phrase till now, starts to make me wonder if mouse users are the more tolerant people around here.

This isn't about being arrogant or intolerant, it's about trying to improve the users' speed and efficiency. We believe things can be done faster using the keyboard in TC. Just try to look at it from our position - seeing someone working with a Photoshop using a keyboard (or voice commands, for absurdity's sake) - wouldn't you recommend him a tablet or at least a mouse?

There is no offence intended to anyone, let alone you, we're only trying to help. I hope we are not too aggressive. If yes, we apologize.

Roman

[Sheepdog]

@all keyboard freaks:
Please stop your permanent "use your keyboard" phrases, they are arrogant and boring the more of them I'm reading.
I haven't read a "use your mouse" phrase till now, starts to make me wonder if mouse users are the more tolerant people around here.
Icfu

Nice shot . And though I do prefer to use the keyboard, it seems to me that you are quite right. When other people see me mainly use the keyboard they always talk about it as an advantage. It never occurs to them that I simply cannot handle the mouse adequate. Maybe some 'keyboard-freaks' want to hide their difficulties to use the mouse .

BTW each time someone writes 'make a new button on buttonbar' it means implicit "use your mouse"


sheepdog

P.S.: Nice to have you still around at the forum.

[pdavit]

2 icfu & Sheepdog

I wasn't trying to offend in any way a user about his/her skills in using a mouse or the keyboard. I'm using both as well but the load of usage is tightly dependent on the type of application. It is though a FACT that the keyboard is faster simply because there is no "accuracy factor" which is present on using the mouse.

Now, the latter observation, overrules the user typing abilities to some extend. We are not talking here about how many words someone can type within a minute. We are talking about comparing pressing Ctrl+A, for example, for selecting a list with 500 files against dragging the mouse from the first file till the very last one in the list (being subconsciously careful not to select the [..] bit, not to get out of the window boarders and the like). Even mouse macros are slower than keyboard shortcut macros where the human factor is not present.

TC is a keyboard-oriented tool whether we like it or not. In the help file there is a section with all the shortcuts but no section about using the mouse. And mouse gestures are not supported by TC yet.

I'm not a keyboard freak at all. I'm not even a touch typist. I cannot live without the mouse but at the same time I recognise the speed advantages of using the keyboard on specific applications.

PS: Thanks Hacker for the support! I wasn't expecting less!

[icfu]

@Hacker:

This isn't about being arrogant or intolerant, it's about trying to improve the users' speed and efficiency. We believe things can be done faster using the keyboard in TC.

I believe that keyboard+mouse can even double your speed under certain circumstances. I just like the idea as an alternative way for renaming files, I'd still prefer Enter but who cares? There are more users used to Explorer style of renaming than users used to Shift-F6 so why not give them some nice welcome when it doesn't hurt anyone?

@Sheepdog:

BTW each time someone writes 'make a new button on buttonbar' it means implicit "use your mouse"

Oops, that's absolutely correct, seems to be a forum of lots of mouse lovers here, my apologies. Did I mention that keyboard shortcuts for buttons would be really nice?

@pdavit:

We are talking about comparing pressing Ctrl+A, for example, for selecting a list with 500 files against dragging the mouse from the first file till the very last one in the list (being subconsciously careful not to select the [..] bit, not to get out of the window boarders and the like)

TC is a keyboard-oriented tool whether we like it or not.

Regarding the fact that a button with command "cm_SelectAll" needs one click only and ctrl-a needs the coordination of two fingers pressing two keys simultaneously I wouldn't second that...
Anyway, the usual way I mark files is with ctrl-a and after that I drag&drop or press F5 or F6 button to copy or move.
Left hand keyboard + right hand mouse -> Double speed

Mouse gestures are the best argument to convince keyboard users to give the mouse a try, I love Opera.

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So, back on topic:
When filename in rename box is deleted restore the original filename on-the-fly and mark it again for another try.

Additional ini-setting:
OnClickRename=1/0

Anyone?

Icfu

[pdavit]

>Regarding the fact that a button with command "cm_SelectAll" needs one click only and ctrl-a needs the coordination of two fingers pressing two keys simultaneously I wouldn't second that...

So in other words you have almost every single internal command with an icon on your TC to improve speed. Let's get realistic plz!

In addition you didn't count in the equation the time it takes to get to that button, being careful not to click any collateral icons. Like I said before one of the advantages of the keyboard is that accuracy is not a factor.

Sure there are many cases where the mouse is faster than the keyboard but the majority falls with the keyboard.

And sure the best approach is to use both simultaneously which is the method I'm using but the whole argument started because someone thought pressing Enter is slower than just clicking outside the renaming area and I wanted to correct him.

>Mouse gestures are the best argument to convince keyboard users to give the mouse a try, I love Opera.

Me too! And I have suggested mouse gestures to be implemented for TC. See... for a keyboard-oriented user I'm quite open-minded!

[Sheepdog]

Sure there are many cases where the mouse is faster than the keyboard but the majority falls with the keyboard.

Or perhaps the mouse users don't like to type here their opinion because they cannot do with a mouse (It's just a joke)


sheepdog

[pdavit]

Or perhaps the mouse users don't like to type here their opinion because they cannot do with a mouse (It's just a joke)

Got it!

But they can! They can throw away the keyboard and have a character map where they will select the letters they want to type in over the monitor instead of typing them with the keyboard. Or maybe get a touch screen if they can afford it!

[icfu]

So in other words you have almost every single internal command with an icon on your TC to improve speed.

Someone even proposed to write batch files for each and every command contained in cmd shell so that there is no need for additional cmd /k in command line anymore so you never know...

Icfu