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Reverse Ctrl+F5 and Ctrl+F6

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So the order of columns is Name - Ext - Size - Date.
And the shortcuts to sort by them is Ctrl+ F3 / F4 / F6 / F5

Seems odd to me that the last two are reversed. Probably a historical reason for that, but I can't come up with a compelling reason to cling to it. Can the shortcuts be in the right order for the next version? So that Ctrl+F5 becomes "sort by size" and Ctrl+F6 becomes "sort by date".

And yes, I know about shortcut remapping. I'm requesting this to be done as the default. That's all ;)

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Probably it will never change because that historical reason ;)

You can create a custom column with the order you want, Name - Ext - Date - Size
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Thany,
I can't come up with a compelling reason to cling to it
I can! Perhaps thousands of users are used to it? ;)

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There is a fine line between not changing something for the sake of legacy, and changing something inspite of that legacy for the sake of tidyness.

I think in this case, it's a small thing that tidies TC up a little bit more, and legacy is not a real issue.

Moreover, if you assume that "thousands of users" something something, it's best to have statistics or some other way of knowing for sure. Just saying be careful with assumptions over your users. I'm a web developer and I know very well how assuming (as opposed to measuring) can lead to weird things.
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Post by *MVV »

Thany,
Many people are familiar with exactly such shortcuts since old DOS file managers like Norton Commander so it would be strange to change them just because displayed columns are in different order.
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2Thany
You can just remap the the two commands cm_SrcBySize and cm_SrcByDateTime to your liking, then you can be happy and the many users that are used to the way it has been for 20 or more years can won't be bothered.
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MVV wrote:Thany,
Many people are familiar with exactly such shortcuts since old DOS file managers like Norton Commander so it would be strange to change them just because displayed columns are in different order.
Strange?
Quite the opposite. I think it would be rather strange to change the order of the columns at some point, but not change the order of the corresponding shortcut keys.

In my mind, the shortcut keys map to a certain column *index*, not to column *name*. See the difference?

I mean, "F5" doesn't exactly scream "Date". But looking at the keyboard, F3-F6 are in a physical row, and so are the columns. So, mapping Ctrl+F3-F6 to a column index makes more sense than mapping them to a column name.

To examplify (is that a word? :))
Ctrl+F3 -> column 1
Ctrl+F4 -> column 2
Ctrl+F5 -> column 3
Ctrl+F6 -> column 4
Whatever on earth those columns might be. Name, extension, size, date, comment, video width, camera model, it shouldn't matter. If I put video width & height on columns 3 and 4, I expect Ctrl+F5/F6 to map to those columns, but I suspect they don't.

Like I said, the keys on the keyboard are in a horizontal row, and so are the columns on screen. It just makes a lot of sense to map the shortcuts to column indexes. It makes sense to keep up a certain legacy, but then again, it doesn't make too much sense to keep legacy functionality just because "it always worked that way". I don't think it makes sense to cling to legacy that much.

Oh and I don't mean to be rude, but "thousands of people are used to it" would be a reason to never change the program *at all*, but look how awesome TC has become.
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Post by *Hacker »

Thany,
legacy is not a real issue.
You assume that nobody uses Ctrl-F5 / F6 and one day when they perhaps start using keyboard shortcuts it will be more logical to them.
Moreover, if you assume that "thousands of users" something something, it's best to have statistics or some other way of knowing for sure.
The same goes for your assumption, however.

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Unfortunately, many things in TC are restrained by those "legacy" reasons. I doubt that majority of the users using TC nowadays are from NC times. Maybe on this forum they are.
Thany, I support your idea, it makes sense. I always found myself hitting the wrong F key for sorting by size/date. Maybe the reverse order is the reason, I've never thought of it. I'll try to notice next time.
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Post by *Thany »

I suppose this really depends on how this feature is used. We simply can't know for sure until we get some hard data...

Btw, I actually am from NC times (I really do remember this layout), but I've skipped a couple of years of using either NC or WC/TC :)
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Post by *MVV »

You can easilly do what you want by assigning shortcuts for commands cm_SrcSortByCol1, cm_SrcSortByCol2, cm_SrcSortByCol3 etc.
Also you can use much more logical shortcuts like Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2 etc. or Alt+1, Alt+2 etc. What a strange to sort by 1st column by Ctrl+F3? :D

But I don't think that changing default shortcuts is required here.
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Post by *Thany »

Well, looking at other software from big companies like Microsoft, Adobe, Apple and even Google. They are not afraid to completely screw up their GUI's from time to time.

So I guess I should salute you! For wanting to keep things the way they are. (edit: hmm, sounds like sarcasm, but I do mean it)
But please keep in mind that sometimes changing a little thing is quite acceptable, or even welcome.
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