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Lefteous wrote: In consequence you'll have to move the existing dirs and files to your new %PROGRAMFILES% dir. I wasn't able to move some files...
The "Common Files" is inside "Program Files". Files inside the common files folder may well be used by software currently running and therefore locked, so they can't be moved. A possible solution would be trying moving them in Safe Mode.
Lefteous wrote: Reparse points are used here to let the given directory structure unchanged.
Good point, but for a folder like Program Files it gets quite cumbersome doing so for every piece of software you install.
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The "Common Files" is inside "Program Files". Files inside the common files folder may well be used by software currently running and therefore locked, so they can't be moved.
Yes, there are a lot of locked files here.
A possible solution would be trying moving them in Safe Mode.
The problem seems to be automatic recreation of system files. I don't know if safe mode will help here. I will give it a try. Thank you.
Good point, but for a folder like Program Files it gets quite cumbersome doing so for every piece of software you install.
Yes it's some work of course. But in my opinion it's better to use junctions here instead of using 2 program file dirs or let everything remain on the system partition.
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[face=courier]On 14-06-2004 00:23:52 +0000 Lefteous wrote:

L> I forget to point out that you have understand something
L> completely wrong. Reparse points are used here tto let the
L> given directory structure unchanged.


Well, it looks like you got me completely wrong - I just suggested ANOTHER solution:

BD> Well, junctions and mount points are a nice thing, but in
BD> this case one can change system "Program Files" folder
BD> location completely


You see, I didn't said that this works the same way as your approach, I said that your approach is not the ultimate solution of "Program Files" problem %).

L> OK step by step

%) Thank you.

L> You have installed Windows, right?

Well, yes.

L> There are many nice dirs and files in your %PROGRAMFILES%
L> directory.


Let's say in "%SystemDrive%\Program Files", OK?

L> Now you want to set %PROGRAMFILES% to another dir. In
L> consequence you'll have to move the existing dirs and
L> files to your new %PROGRAMFILES% dir. I wasn't able to
L> move some files...


Well, there are two ways here:

1) If you are talking about system components, located in "%SystemDrive%\Program Files" (M$IE, WMP etc.), that appears there after system installation, you can leave them there they are, AFAIK they don't need to be located in a %ProgramFiles%. But that is not the ultimate solution of "Program Files" and, actually just another implementation of your approach.

2) So, here goes the ultimate solution.

1. Copy the content of "%SystemDrive%\Program Files" (let's say, D:\Program Files") to the new %ProgramFiles% location, e.g. "Z:\ProGZ";
2. Export the whole Registry to the text file;
3. Open that file in a text editor;
4. Replace "D:\\Program Files" and "D:\\PROGRA~1" with "Z:\\ProGZ";
4. Import updated file back (of course you'll get an error, bat that doesn't matter).
5. Search your Registry for "D:\\Progra" string by hands (you'll find several entries, but not too much of them);
6. Reboot.
7. Delete "%SystemDrive%\Program Files".

Of course you can use some advanced Registry tool to search and replace "D:\\Program Files" and "D:\\PROGRA~1" with "Z:\\ProGZ", this is just a "brutal force" solution.[/face]
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A possible solution would be trying moving them in Safe Mode.
I've now tried out the safe mode. It works great and is absolutely simple. Now I can use mount points here which is just far better than using junctions. Thank you very much again!
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2Black Dog
Thank you for your detailed answer...
Well, it looks like you got me completely wrong - I just suggested ANOTHER solution:
yes another solution for another problem. The task was to use the predefined system dirs by the operating system and fill them with data located somewhere else.
To change their location is one step ahead.

The program dir is a special one - as can be seen in your answer, there are many dependencies that have to be solved. You provide a way to resolve them. Everyone has to decide if this an option just to change the name.
Using Boahs advice, then use a mount point and let the default name unchanged seems to be a good and simple way to me.
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[face=courier]On 14-06-2004 02:22:04 +0000 Lefteous wrote:

L> Thank you for your detailed answer...

Oh, don't mention it. But may by NOW you answer me too?[/face]
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Any idea of Mr. Hisler heard this request for separated hidden and system file visibility? ;) I'd love to hear it will be in the next release so I can stop bopping back and forth all the time to prevent my system from looking ugly or have files disappear from under me! Thanks!
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[face=courier]On 15-06-2004 06:47:48 +0000 timtr wrote:

t> Any idea of Mr. Hisler heard this request for separated
t> hidden and system file visibility?


1. Mr. Ghisler, you better copy other person name if can't spell it.
2. Write a letter of whish request to Commander's support.

t> I'd love to hear it will be in the next release

%) Well, only "the most wished features" have chance. So forget about it %).[/face]
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[face=courier]On 15-06-2004 08:56:38 +0000 norfie wrote:

n> Directories will be displayed regardless of their
n> attributes


Directories will be displayed even regardless of the fact you disable "Directory" attribute this way too %\\\.

n> I don't think so. A similar feature was requested in German
n> forum (blacklist).


1. If you want me to read it, translate that thread to English and place here, if you don't - I can't see the reason of that URL placing in your post.
2. We'll see, cool boy, we'll see...[/face]
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[face=courier]On 15-06-2004 09:58:49 +0000 norfie wrote:

n> Because this is a forum and you're not the single member of
n> this forum?


This is the English forum, cool boy. Should I start "English forum" talk, or you already got everything you have to? %)

n> Is there any interested in?

Well, isn't it enough for you that you are interested? %)

n> I hoped blacklist is self explaining (like keygens )

Well, who said "keygens" are self explaining? %)))[/face]
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[face=courier]On 15-06-2004 10:43:16 +0000 norfie wrote:

n> 1st: I mentioned it is German
n> a) don't-german-speaking members: shouldn't follow this link
n> b) german-speaking members: link for further informations
n> 2nd: I gave a (very short) conclusion for english speaking members.


Well, If you started it, I'll continue. Take a look here. Dest made exactly the same you did, but it looks like no one (including me) didn't like that. Should I tell you why? Is it too difficult to understand? Isn't it obvious? Come on, nice guy, you are the clever fellow, you can get it.

n> 2Black Dog I'm sorry but sometimes I have a feeling that
n> you don't wanna understand.


As I told you, nice guy, this is not about "understand", this is about "like".[/face]
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