some day people will forget TC, just like NC in DOS age
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some day people will forget TC, just like NC in DOS age
Mr. Ghisler still emphasizes the importance to support win9x or win3.1, the size and the startup speed. Also he stated that unicide version, 64 bit version are not necessory.
Just have some quesitions:
(1) is he so kind to consider first the need of third-world people who run win9x on a 386 pc?
(2) can we feel the difference between a 4M exe file and a 2M file? is it really important to carry TC on a floppy disk?
(3) while some features (unicide, etc) can be implemented easily with modern compiler, why ghilser still do these jobs by hand?
my wishes:
Mr.ghisler should hire some people to modify some unimportant code and upgrade his compiler. It might take several monthes. But I think it's necessory for the future of TC.
Just have some quesitions:
(1) is he so kind to consider first the need of third-world people who run win9x on a 386 pc?
(2) can we feel the difference between a 4M exe file and a 2M file? is it really important to carry TC on a floppy disk?
(3) while some features (unicide, etc) can be implemented easily with modern compiler, why ghilser still do these jobs by hand?
my wishes:
Mr.ghisler should hire some people to modify some unimportant code and upgrade his compiler. It might take several monthes. But I think it's necessory for the future of TC.
Re: some day people will forget TC, just like NC in DOS age
Hey! I work on Win98 (and know the people who works on Win95) and will work with this OS probably until my PC is dead.Zenman wrote:Just have some quesitions:
(1) is he so kind to consider first the need of third-world people who run win9x on a 386 pc?
1. I (and a lot of people) have a dial-up internet connection with low speed so the less filesize is the better it is for me (us).Zenman wrote: (2) can we feel the difference between a 4M exe file and a 2M file? is it really important to carry TC on a floppy disk?
2. I remember the ZX Spectrum and those great things that coders wrote having only 48 or 128 Kb of RAM.
And nowadays i have tears running sometimes when i see an application with one emty form which has size of 300-400 Kb.
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It is not so important to be on floppy but to be as small as possible, because it is the only good way. You see, if you have only one big application running in your system then no big deal about that, but imagine 15 applications running (regular scenario) all to be 5MB size, laying resident in your system... that's what troubles me. Other side of multitasking medal.
And people will forget anything, even the best stuff on this world if somebody shows them (regular scenario). This has to do with mind ersers commonly found in all-around media.
Die Nero 7, die.
Yes, we can. Yes, it is important.(2) can we feel the difference between a 4M exe file and a 2M file? is it really important to carry TC on a floppy disk?
It is not so important to be on floppy but to be as small as possible, because it is the only good way. You see, if you have only one big application running in your system then no big deal about that, but imagine 15 applications running (regular scenario) all to be 5MB size, laying resident in your system... that's what troubles me. Other side of multitasking medal.
I agree on you with this one. This should be low priority task. But this has nothing to do with size or speed because it should remain like this - only with compatibility.(1) is he so kind to consider first the need of third-world people who run win9x on a 386 pc?
I didn't forget NC nor DOS age. I just don't use that system any more.some day people will forget TC, just like NC in DOS age
And people will forget anything, even the best stuff on this world if somebody shows them (regular scenario). This has to do with mind ersers commonly found in all-around media.
Correct !2. I remember the ZX Spectrum and those great things that coders wrote having only 48 or 128 Kb of RAM.
And nowadays i have tears running sometimes when i see an application with one emty form which has size of 300-400 Kb.
Die Nero 7, die.
Concerning unicode version I strongly disagree with author (Ghisler) that unicode can wait. Now day in age this is very, very important.Also he stated that unicide version, 64 bit version are not necessory.
It is commendable that you keep this product for 16bit platform and Win9x but let me ask you why do you support this platforms when MS has long abandonend support? This blocks more advancements for NT platfrom... You should look more to the future.
I followed several threads on this topic, and I understand that there are quite a few users that have old PCs and do not have resurces to buy new hw to run NT based Windows (or do not need to).
In my opinion, they are not that demanding population if such sw/hw sattisfies their need.
I agree that 64 bit version is not that important at the moment, but soon it will be. At least for plugin development. I'm fairly doubious that core TC would benefit from this. Plugins will.
Ambiguity succeeds where honesty dares not venture.
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http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=7626
The conclusion is that TC would have to rewritten completely to support Unicode this way (I guess Ghisler is right about Delphi features). I don't know how long it takes to completely rewrite the program. Consider that developent took already more than 10 years until now.
As you can see he is. The question should be: Should there be other priorities?s he so kind to consider first the need of third-world people who run win9x on a 386 pc?
The size of an executable doesn't say anything about its speed. The question should be: Why do you want a 4MB executable file? What could be the advantages?can we feel the difference between a 4M exe file and a 2M file? is it really important to carry TC on a floppy disk?
while some features (unicide, etc) can be implemented easily with modern compiler, why ghilser still do these jobs by hand?
This thread has the answer:Mr.ghisler should hire some people to modify some unimportant code and upgrade his compiler. It might take several monthes. But I think it's necessory for the future of TC.
http://www.ghisler.ch/board/viewtopic.php?t=7626
The conclusion is that TC would have to rewritten completely to support Unicode this way (I guess Ghisler is right about Delphi features). I don't know how long it takes to completely rewrite the program. Consider that developent took already more than 10 years until now.
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I definitely agree on that.
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"Personal Firewalls" - A Complete Failure
I guess U were right...
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"Personal Firewalls" - A Complete Failure
I guess U were right...
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"Personal Firewalls" - A Complete Failure
I guess U were right...[/quote]
[ot] I agree that Personal Firewalls don't necessarily protect againts specific attacks.
I prefer to see them as tools to control and monitor the network activity of my pc. Lately I'm more concerned of what leaves my pc (spyware, adware and hidden callbacks) than of what might want to come in.
So I still think that the advantages of having a good PF (not some Norton sh*t) outweights its theoretical addition of attack vectors.
This implies that having a good understanding of the services you're running is equally important.[/ot]
Look what I found
"Personal Firewalls" - A Complete Failure
I guess U were right...[/quote]
[ot] I agree that Personal Firewalls don't necessarily protect againts specific attacks.
I prefer to see them as tools to control and monitor the network activity of my pc. Lately I'm more concerned of what leaves my pc (spyware, adware and hidden callbacks) than of what might want to come in.
So I still think that the advantages of having a good PF (not some Norton sh*t) outweights its theoretical addition of attack vectors.
This implies that having a good understanding of the services you're running is equally important.[/ot]
I think, a discussion about PF's is somewhat off-topic here.
3rd-world people ? What's wrong with being content with some OS version, because everything is functioning fine ? It just depends on the personal circumstances and the kind of work to be performed.
I consider it ridiculous, that a person, only using some text-editor, does this on a set running on a 2 Ghz clockspeed.
My main machine is running W2000. Everything is ok, so that's final. No need to follow the consumertrends for those
huge XP's or Longhorn's etc. I have my previous set (233 Mhz) still operational for other activities. Plus, and this could be considered as 'stone-age' people, I still have one of my first XT's (33 Mhz) available as well, running DOS 6.2 with, of course, NC on it, to use as a game-computer. This, because my main set is for my work, not for entertainment.
Games like Dune I, Wolfenstein, Lemmings, or The Incredible Machine were very well programmed, fitting on one diskette (floppy is the wrong word) considering the tenth of levels available, all with different backgrounds and options.
I would like to add a concept by the late prof. E.W. Dijkstra : a program should be 'elegant'.
What do you mean by 'unimportant code' ? Any code in an executable is there for some reason I think, otherwise it wouldn't be there. Another thing of course is the finetuning by making the routines more efficient, plus the debugging. In theory, this proces should lead to even a smaller size of the program. The same should be valid for the next version of an OS. In reality, this of course often isn't the case, because of new concepts and new extensions added to the system, so the application has to keep up with the recent developments.Zenman wrote: Mr.ghisler should hire some people to modify some unimportant code and upgrade his compiler.
I don't want to brag here, but I started with a ZX 81, which had 2K Ram that had to be shared by the basic program and the contents of the tv-screen. This forced me to program with as less lines as possible, and to make an optimal use of the space. Later the same with writing in machinecode. I don't program any more, but I have never left this principle, even with today's hardware with high clockspeeds and giga's of disks and ram. That's whyJungle wrote: I remember the ZX Spectrum and those great things that coders wrote having only 48 or 128 Kb of RAM.
is right.majkinetor wrote: It is not so important to be on floppy but to be as small as possible, because it is the only good way.
3rd-world people ? What's wrong with being content with some OS version, because everything is functioning fine ? It just depends on the personal circumstances and the kind of work to be performed.
I consider it ridiculous, that a person, only using some text-editor, does this on a set running on a 2 Ghz clockspeed.
My main machine is running W2000. Everything is ok, so that's final. No need to follow the consumertrends for those
huge XP's or Longhorn's etc. I have my previous set (233 Mhz) still operational for other activities. Plus, and this could be considered as 'stone-age' people, I still have one of my first XT's (33 Mhz) available as well, running DOS 6.2 with, of course, NC on it, to use as a game-computer. This, because my main set is for my work, not for entertainment.
Games like Dune I, Wolfenstein, Lemmings, or The Incredible Machine were very well programmed, fitting on one diskette (floppy is the wrong word) considering the tenth of levels available, all with different backgrounds and options.
Right on. But I'm afraid the idea has been implanted, that 'the bigger the better'. In pc-settings, often on the contrary, I would say.Lefteous wrote: The size of an executable doesn't say anything about its speed.
I would like to add a concept by the late prof. E.W. Dijkstra : a program should be 'elegant'.
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[OT] PeErsonal firewalls
@ ZoSTeR
It is not really arguable weather to useall those protection systems including antivirus software. Today we have "hacker defender" wich can bypass every AV and every possible monitor on system. But that doesn't make AV or FW software less powerfull, just limited. As my understanding of hacking goes, the best hackers out there are generaly not malitious people, but there are others who use their knowledge and use their tools. Those people are not hacking gurus because of stolen knowledge. They can' t find workaround for eventual problem since they didn't invented the original procedure or too oftern even don't understand it. So, AV or FW are made to protect you from those fools, not from real hackers... the only thing that can save you when they show up, is your knowledge.
@ jp
@Sam Zen
WE HAVE NO TIME FOR THAT! Just make it work....
The text from the link was not about attacking, but sending information from within the system using IE and progammatically simulated user interaction. Anyway, I agree withZoSTeR wrote: I agree that Personal Firewalls don't necessarily protect againts specific attacks.
and that is the main reason for me to use them - i like so much to forbide access to internet to almost every program that exists today.... even World of Worcraft has spyware, which happend to be the most populare game ever.I prefer to see them as tools to control and monitor the network activity of my pc
Attack vectors ? he he... I like that. Norton shi*t... I like that also.So I still think that the advantages of having a good PF (not some Norton sh*t) outweights its theoretical addition of attack vectors.
It is not really arguable weather to useall those protection systems including antivirus software. Today we have "hacker defender" wich can bypass every AV and every possible monitor on system. But that doesn't make AV or FW software less powerfull, just limited. As my understanding of hacking goes, the best hackers out there are generaly not malitious people, but there are others who use their knowledge and use their tools. Those people are not hacking gurus because of stolen knowledge. They can' t find workaround for eventual problem since they didn't invented the original procedure or too oftern even don't understand it. So, AV or FW are made to protect you from those fools, not from real hackers... the only thing that can save you when they show up, is your knowledge.
@ jp
On the other hand, there are things, that should be forgoten ....Yeah, Stairway to Heaven was the best...Jimmy Page's solo was fantastic. Led Zeppelin was THE BEST. I agree with you, Roman
@Sam Zen
You know what they told me on my job ?a program should be 'elegant'.
WE HAVE NO TIME FOR THAT! Just make it work....
Re: [OT] PeErsonal firewalls
It was, 2 years ago, you are not up to date.majkinetor wrote:including antivirus software. Today we have "hacker defender" wich can bypass every AV and every possible monitor on system.
The only thing that can let them do anything is lack of good security practices. Or LOTS of luck.majkinetor wrote:So, AV or FW are made to protect you from those fools, not from real hackers... the only thing that can save you when they show up, is your knowledge.
BTW, my backups beat any hacker anytime...
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